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President Ivanov: NATO to explain why it disrespects ICJ ruling
01. March 2012. | 08:31
Source: MIA
Settling of Macedonia-Greece name row requires a dialogue, for which there is no willingness in Athens, President Gjorge Ivanov says ahead of NATO Summit in Chicago.
Settling of Macedonia-Greece name row requires a dialogue, for which there is no willingness in Athens, President Gjorge Ivanov says ahead of NATO Summit in Chicago.
"When there is a will, there is a also a way. We don't see that our southern neighbour is willing to follow the Slovenia-Croatia example, namely for the (integration and name settlement) processes to be conducted simultaneously and bring resolution. Serbia and Kosovo also demonstrated will and came to a solution," Ivanov told reporters during his visit to Stip on Wednesday.
Macedonia wasted 20 years to urge Greece for a solution to the name issue to be found, Ivanov said.
Athens' approach to Cyprus and Turkey is now being applied on Macedonia, Ivanov said, pointing out that Greece has been handing over its problem to the European Union and NATO, expecting them to resolve it.
He said that yesterday's statements of US Ambassador Paul Wohlers and NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen pointed out that the agenda of forthcoming Summit in Chicago did not include the organization's enlargement.
"We nonetheless hope and expect for what was done in Bucharest to be corrected, because Greece had misled the other members, refusing its consent to (Macedonia's) admission in spite of its obligations under the Interim Accord - to respect its agreements with us and the international community. The US was the guarantor that under the interim reference (Macedonia) would be entitled to join international organizations. The US should respond why it gave up in Bucharest," Ivanov said.
He also considers that NATO should explain why it doesn't respect the judgment of The Hague-based International Court of Justice (ICJ), which clearly says that a mistake was being made at Bucharest Summit.
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01. March 2012. 21:14:54
| Ime
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ICJ ruling is a joke. It is just evidence of prejudice against Greeks The judges (mostly from country's that decided to reference FYROM as "Macedonia") completely ignored FYROM's constant attempts to usurp Greek history and use it insinuate parts of Greece belong to FYROM. The agreement wasn't just about allowing FYROM into institutions. It also had the following clauses completely ignored by FYROM.
Article 2: The Parties hereby confirm their common existing frontier as an enduring and inviolable international border.
Article 3: Each Party undertakes to respect the sovereignty, the territorial integrity and the political independence of the other Party. Neither Party shall support the action of a third party directed against the sovereignty, the territorial integrity or the political independence of the other Party.
Article 7: Each Party shall promptly take effective measures to prohibit hostile activities or propaganda by State-controlled agencies and to discourage acts by private entities likely to incite violence, hatred or hostility against each other.
2. Upon entry into force of this Interim Accord, the Party of the Second Part shall cease to use in any way the symbol in all its forms displayed on its national flag prior to such entry into force.
7.3 If either Party believes one or more symbols constituting part of its historic or cultural patrimony is being used by the other Party, it shall bring such alleged use to the attention of the other Party, and the other Party shall take appropriate corrective action or indicate why it does not consider it necessary to do so.
01. March 2012. 21:14:54
| Ime
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Hey look. A giant statue in Paeonia dedicated to self-identifying Greek historical figures. (aka ancient Macedonians)
Maybe if Mr. Ivanov didn't encourage the kingdom of ancient Paeonia's theft of Greek history and use that to encourage irredentism against Greece, Greece could take a single word he says seriously. What happened to the prior ethnic identity claims of the FYROM government Mr. Ivanov?
'We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov, Ottawa Citizen Newspaper, February 24 1999
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" - Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President, Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992
'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka, speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999
02. March 2012. 08:31:49
| Ime
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WOW!!
Where were you guy's (Greek commentators) till now?
Oh...sorry, now that you have milked the EU for another 130 billion; you have been re-activated to spread lies and hatred oblivious to Article 7 of the ICJ ruling.
02. March 2012. 08:31:49
| Greece = Turkey. You always have been. And you always will be. Turks.
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02. March 2012. 08:31:49
| Ime
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I have a suggestion that may solve the “name game”, I think it could work and would like your input.
If we need to discriminate and label the people of the Republic of Macedonia, then it would only be fair to do likewise for the whole geographical area of Macedonia.
My suggestion is to put a time qualifier in terms of how long that person’s ancestors have been living in Macedonia.
So for a Macedonian from the Republic of Macedonia, we would label “Macedonian at least 1700 years”.
Or for a Macedonian from Greece who’s ancestors originated from Anatolian refugees of the 1920’s, we would label “Macedonian nearly 100 years”.
And so on!
Now, considering that 600,000 Anatolian refugees were resettled in Macedonia in the 1920’s, I would imagine that the present Greek Macedonian population of 2.5 million would be overwhelmingly “Macedonian nearly 100 years”.
Please explain if my logic is wrong.
25. March 2012. 07:12:00
| FYROMIAN TIMES
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EXTRA, EXTRA!!!
2020, FYROMIAN PROPAGANDA ENDS AS SHORT-LIVED COUNTRY IS DISSOLVED INTO NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES ALBANIA AND BULGARIA.
Former FYROMians agree that their pseudo-Macedonian era is over. They revert back to their Slavic roots. The "Antiquisition" campaign starting from the former Prime Minister Gruevski has been to blame. "Our roots were Slavic, we are Slavic people. Gruevski brainwashed us into beleiving we existed as a different people, as descendants of ancient Greek Macedonians, but in reality, and what we felt was that we were Slavic people. We pushed our Slavic brothers and Sisters aside and told them we wern't blood" says Biljana Ivanovski. "The best feeling was knowing Gruevski's fantasy of being Macedonian is over, we can now live our lives as the Albanians, Bulgarians and Serbs that we really are" said Cornelius VanHelsingski. We have just received report that the hugely grotesque "Alexandrovski Veliki" statue is being taken down to be melted at a nearby steel smeltering plant. An insider reported that the recycled steel will be used to build a cage for the new "Once-Upon-A-Time" Zoo (OUTZOO) to be placed in the ex capital city of Skopje. The main exhibit at the OUTZOO will be Gruevski. Word has it that the exhibit will feature a live show. Gruevski himself boxing with Monkeydonians, his own kind. The Zoo director stated, "Once-Upon-A-Time (OUTZOO) Zoo has brought Gruevski in to avoid imprisonment. We felt that having him here and explaining that he meant to call his people Monkeydonians, instead of Macedonians, tells a story. The story of fantasy. Gruevski will be Boxing in the Zoo cage match at 8:00pm every night against different ex-PRO-Fyromian bloggers. "I'm just glad its all over. The world knew it was going to happen eventually" said George Z Bush, step-son of George W Bush.