FYRMacedonia replies to Greek counter-arguments at second round of ICJ hearing
29. March 2011. | 08:13
Source: MIA
Second round of the public hearing over Macedonia's suit against Greece before the Hague-based International Court of Justice (ICJ) for violating the 1995 bilateral document by objecting to Macedonia's application to join NATO began on Monday, MIA reports from the Hague.
Second round of the public hearing over Macedonia's suit against Greece before the Hague-based International Court of Justice (ICJ) for violating the 1995 bilateral document by objecting to Macedonia's application to join NATO began on Monday, MIA reports from the Hague.
The legal issue before you is maybe discrete, but the stake for my country is very high. This case is not a theoretical one. It currently has an effect on our relations with NATO, as well as the pending EU integration. The Court's decision will have significant consequences on the stability and economic prosperity of my country, said Ambassador to the Netherlands, Nikola Dimitrov, who is Macedonia's co-agent in the ICJ suit.
"We ask for a clear judgment that would restore legal stability and confirm that what was once agreed cannot be used for gaining advantage in the name issue. If the Court decides in our favor, both parties will have the same burden and incentive to resume with the negotiations in order to overcome differences regarding my country's name. The effect of your judgment will be to reestablish the regime achieved through the 1995 accord and observed over the following 13 years", said Dimitrov.
He stressed the importance of the Court's judgment for Macedonia.
"Macedonia's path is one of a small country in the heart of the Balkans, which is trying to do the right things in a difficult surrounding, in order to find its place in the community of nations. The name issue is one of the main challenges on this road. Our name is a result of a long historic process, whereas being born as Macedonians and speaking the Macedonian language, we do not have an alternative in choosing another identity. We have never tried to monopolize the name, we are aware that it can have different meanings to different peoples, nor we oppose the use of this term by the respondent in naming its province", added ambassador Dimitrov.
According to him, the UN Security Council had said the Interim Accord would promote the enhancement of regional stability.
"The council was right. We hope it will continue to do this with the Court's assistance", underlined Dimitrov.
University College London professor Philippe Sands, who started the elaboration of Macedonia's reply to Greece counter-arguments, stressed it was obvious after the first round of the hearing this was a simple process, meaning that the respondent opposed to Macedonia's NATO membership in circumstances when the country would be referred under the interim reference, the consequence being violation of Article 11 from the Interim Accord.
"It is obvious that the case is not easy for the respondent. What we heard is a fairytale based on what happened in 1993, 1995, 2007 and 2008. In order to give color to this fairytale, the respondent ignores the facts, creates false images, misrepresenting third parties and referring to historical facts dating back to the 4th century B.C. that have no relevance in the case", said Sands.
According to him, by raising a spectre of issues for involvement of the ICJ in politics, the Greek side aimed to convince the Court in the newspaper headlines that Greece did not object to Macedonia's NATO accession.
"It is obvious that such headline would be silly", added Sands.
He also challenged the alleged evidence of irredentism, along with the claim that the applicant represented a threat for territorial pretensions towards the respondent.
Professor Sean Murphy from the George Washington University referred to Greece's arguments from the first round of the public hearing, saying they were empty, inconsistent, not credible and misrepresenting, which cannot seriously oppose arguments proving the unyielding position over Macedonia's NATO accession.
"Regardless of the veto characterization, the prevention is possible by one Alliance member. The idea is that NATO does not know the veto to which the respondent insisted last week", stressed Murphy.
He also said Greece systematically campaigned in 2007 and 2008 against Macedonia's NATO accession.
"We ask the Court not to forget these facts, which clearly demonstrate violation of the Interim Accord", added professor Murphy.
Professor Pierre Klein from the Brussels-based Libre University also refuted claims that the Hague suit is related to the name issue and that the Court is not competent to decide on Macedonia's application.
"The Greek representatives have not shown any evidence and arguments in supporting this", said Klein.
He claimed that Greece's defense that it only joined the NATO consensus over Macedonia's invitation was ungrounded, saying Athens prevented this through its highest officials.
"Macedonia considers this case as separate from the name process, which is ignored by the Greek side. The name row was there before this suit and will continue after it. The Court's decision will not have any influence on it and will not mean political interference. Therefore, the Court should declare itself competent and accept Macedonia's claims contained in the application", underlined professor Klein.
The public hearing will be completed with the concluding remarks from Greece on March 30.
The ICJ verdict, which is final and binding for UN member-states and parties in the dispute, is expected within six months or by the year-end.
Comments (4)
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30. March 2011. 07:23:38
| Ime
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Me Greek, my people no tell lies. FYROMIAN's are Slav, very bad people, they lie, very big liars. They say we veto them at Nato in Bucharest, no, no, no, this big liar, it was someone else's idea, not Greeks, no, no no!
Let me tell the truth about Macedonia, me, I am true Macedonian. 2500 years ago Alexander Megali spread his Greek seed to Pontus in present day Northern Turkey, we Pontic people (approx. 1/2 million) come back to mother Macedonia in 1920, after very bad Turkish people kick us out. Of course we have to kick out some Slav's to make room for my people, but this is OK, they are only Slav's not Greek like me.
Now I tell you about Slavs, they come to my Macedonia 1600 years ago. They were happy little Slavs living in my beautiful Macedonia for 1550 years and then Tito tell them they are Macedonian and they believe this. Very stupid people, yesterday they were Slavs and today they are Macedonian. Ah ha ha ha, sorry I laugh, how stupid some people can be.
Slav's even brainwashed my dear old yaya, she sometimes forgets and calls these people Macedonian, but we soon remind her that they are scopians not Macedonians. She apologises and says old habits die hard. Poor yaya,
she even knows how to talk their slavo-vulgarian language, that malakia Tito nearly brainwashed my yaya too!
30. March 2011. 07:23:38
| Ime
0
Me Greek, my people no tell lies. FYROMIAN's are Slav, very bad people, they lie, very big liars. They say we veto them at Nato in Bucharest, no, no, no, this big liar, it was someone else's idea, not Greeks, no, no no!
Let me tell the truth about Macedonia, me, I am true Macedonian. 2500 years ago Alexander Megali spread his Greek seed to Pontus in present day Northern Turkey, we Pontic people (approx. 1/2 million) come back to mother Macedonia in 1920, after very bad Turkish people kick us out. Of course we have to kick out some Slav's to make room for my people, but this is OK, they are only Slav's not Greek like me.
Now I tell you about Slavs, they come to my Macedonia 1600 years ago. They were happy little Slavs living in my beautiful Macedonia for 1550 years and then Tito tell them they are Macedonian and they believe this. Very stupid people, yesterday they were Slavs and today they are Macedonian. Ah ha ha ha, sorry I laugh, how stupid some people can be.
Slav's even brainwashed my dear old yaya, she sometimes forgets and calls these people Macedonian, but we soon remind her that they are scopians not Macedonians. She apologises and says old habits die hard. Poor yaya,
she even knows how to talk their slavo-vulgarian language, that malakia Tito nearly brainwashed my yaya too!
02. April 2011. 08:11:38
| Ime
0
Me. A former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarian who calls himself a "Macedonian" and cuts and pastes the same posts.
"The creation of the Macedonian nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the “Macedonian” historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the “Macedonian” identity was created. There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from the type of substitution of the word “Bulgarian” with the word “Macedonian” were made." -former FYROM foreign minister Denko Maleski
http://www.utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=C7A7DD4ECD45C946BF6573284EC01164
"We are not stating by accident that Josip Broz Tito is Jesus Christ for Macedonia, a father and a mother for Macedonia. Because we have, in that time, after NOB, for the first time created a Macedonian alphabet, a Macedonian television, a Macedonian state, a language, a passport, an identity card, a university for the first time, a Macedonian academy for the first time. We, communists, have created the Macedonian Orthodox church." - Slobodan Ugrinovski, FYROM politician - "Tito is Jesus Christ for Macedonia" - A1 TV, FYROM May 04 2009)
http://www.youtube.com/user/Srbolog#p/u/42/YZRCMBzkV88
"And whether Bulgarian consciousness exists in Macedonia, this is a historical legacy. We’re now writing our history. We can’t write that until 1940 we were Bulgarians and after 1940 Macedonians.” - Krste Crvenkovski (President of the Central Committee of the Union of Communists in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia) to Todor Zhivkov (First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Bulgaria) – May 19, 1967.
http://tinyurl.com/y2n846j
"This (US) Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece." - US Government 1944 http://tinyurl.com/nel46d
08. April 2011. 22:51:13
| Ioannis
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The autistic repeatedly humiliating himself titozombie provocateur that thinks that he can laugh at the greeks, he should laugh watching the stupid retarded video with the "monkeydonoid" God that prays for the good of his monkeydonoid children...
Historiography and History is very clear what the Makedones were: They were tribes who lived at the north of Greece of a greek breed ofcourse. So, slavs, turkoslavs, slavobulgars, or turkovulgars can't call themselves Makedones...